Shared conversation
Understanding the Little Horn and the Holy Trinity
If the Holy Spirit is a person, why is He not on the throne?
Explain the little horn of Daniel 7.
AdventAI
1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head on his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
2 Daniel spoke and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove on the great sea.
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand on the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.
5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus to it, Arise, devour much flesh.
6 After this I beheld, and see another, like a leopard, which had on the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spoke: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the middle of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16 I came near to one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it to the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
28 Till now is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.
AdventAI
The little horn of Daniel 7 is a blasphemous, persecuting power representing the Papacy that arose out of the ruins of the Roman Empire. This symbolic power emerged among the ten horns of the fourth beast, which represents the fourth universal kingdom, Rome.
The Rise and Identity of the Little Horn
Succession of Empires: The vision of Daniel 7 follows the same progression as the image in Daniel 2 starting with Babylon (the lion), followed by Medo-Persia (the bear), and Grecia (the leopard) Daniel 7:4-6.
The Fourth Beast: The fourth kingdom is a "dreadful and terrible" beast with ten horns, representing the Roman Empire divided into ten kingdoms following the barbarian invasions Daniel 7:7.
Emergence of the Horn: The little horn came up among these ten horns, and before it, three of the original horns—the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths—were plucked up by the roots Daniel 7:8.
Identity as the Papacy: Protestant commentators and historical evidence confirm that this little horn is the Papacy, which transitioned from a purely ecclesiastical power to one possessed of civil authority.
Characteristics and Blasphemies
Exalting Itself Above God: The little horn is described as having "eyes like the eyes of man" and a "mouth speaking great things," identifying it with Paul's "man of sin" who sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God Daniel 7:82 Thessalonians 2:3-4.
Speaking Against the Most High: This power speaks great words against the Most High, claiming titles and prerogatives that belong only to God Daniel 7:25.
Changing Times and Laws: The little horn would "think to change times and laws," specifically targeting the law of God Daniel 7:25. This is fulfilled by the Papacy's claim to have transferred the sanctity of the seventh-day Sabbath to Sunday.
The Period of Supremacy
The 1,260-Year Prophecy: The saints, times, and laws were given into the hand of this power for a "time and times and the dividing of time," which equals 1,260 prophetic days or years Daniel 7:25Revelation 12:6.
Timeline: This period began in AD 538, following the decree of Justinian and the removal of the last opposing Arian horn, and ended in 1798 when the French government stripped the Papacy of its political power.
War on the Saints: During these centuries of supremacy, the little horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them, resulting in the martyrdom of millions through the Inquisition and other persecutions Daniel 7:21.
Final Judgment and Destruction
The Judgment Scene: Following the 1,260-year reign, the prophecy describes a judgment scene where the Ancient of Days sits and the books are opened Daniel 7:9-10.
Total Destruction: The little horn will continue its work until it is consumed by the spirit of the Lord's mouth and destroyed by the brightness of His coming Daniel 7:112 Thessalonians 2:8.
The Everlasting Kingdom: After the dominion of the little horn is taken away, the kingdom and dominion under the whole heaven will be given to the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom Daniel 7:26-27.
Sources · 25
- SITI November 10, 1887, page 681.1The Signs of the Times, vol. 13
- SBBS 29.5Source Book for Bible Students
- MWV2 79.2Miller’s Works, vol. 2. Evidence from Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ about the Year
- ARSH January 31, 1856, page 140.24The Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald, vol. 7
- MMM 525.1Manuscripts and Memories of Minneapolis
- BEST March 1, 1889, page 74.6Bible Echo and Signs of the Times, vol. 4
- TMR 88.1The Three Messages of Revelation 14:6-12
- MBSG 9.2Mark of the Beast, And Seal of The Living God
- DAR1909 562.1Daniel and The Revelation
- TAR 11.2The Three Angels of Revelation 14:6-12
- ChSa 180.2The Change of the Sabbath
- MWV2 96.1Miller’s Works, vol. 2. Evidence from Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ about the Year
- WCS 1.3Who Changed the Sabbath?
- SITI November 21, 1900, page 4.13The Signs of the Times, vol. 26
- ARSH April 17, 1855, page 211.15The Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald, vol. 6
- WCS 19.3Who Changed the Sabbath?
- EVRR344An Enduring Vision - Revelation Revealed
- LIFIN 223.1Life Incidents
- EMTF 51.2An Exposition of Matthew Twenty-Four on the Second Coming of Christ
- SLWM 204.4Sketches of the Christian Life and Public Labors of William Miller
- ChSa 174.1The Change of the Sabbath
- SITI October 24, 1900, page 4.5The Signs of the Times, vol. 26
- MWV2 100.3Miller’s Works, vol. 2. Evidence from Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ about the Year
- SITI April 14, 1887, page 231.7The Signs of the Times, vol. 13
- SAIN 51.1The Saints’ Inheritance
If The holy spirit is a Person, why he is not on the fathers Thron in heaven like jesus?
AdventAI
While the Holy Spirit is a distinct personality within the Godhead, His specific office work is to be the regenerating agent that makes the sacrifice of Christ effectual in the human heart. The Scriptures reveal that the Father and the Son are seated upon the throne in the heavenly sanctuary, surrounded by ten thousand times ten thousand holy beings who wait to do their bidding.
The Office Work of the Holy Spirit
A Personal Representative: The Holy Spirit is the Comforter who personifies Christ while remaining a distinct personality.
Sent to Earth: Jesus specifically asked the Father for the gift of the Spirit to be given to His people as the highest of all gifts.
Abiding Presence: The Spirit’s role is to dwell within the believer, making them partakers of the divine nature and overcoming evil tendencies John 14:16-17.
Operating on the Heart: Rather than being described as seated on a throne in a localized sense, the Divine Spirit reveals its working on the human heart to bring the faculties into captivity to Jesus Christ.
The Throne of the Father and Son
Visible Majesty: When the prophet Isaiah was permitted to look into the holy of holies, he saw a personage on the throne high and lifted up, whose glory filled the temple Isaiah 6:1.
Co-regency of the Son: Christ, after His ascension, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high as the express image of the Father's person Hebrews 1:3.
Heavenly Communication: All heaven remains in active communication with every part of the universe through various channels, with the Holy One bending from His throne to listen to every sound uttered.
The Harmony of the Trinity
Three Eternal Dignitaries: There are three eternal heavenly dignitaries—God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit—who work in unison to convince the world of sin and advance the work of salvation.
Godhead Fullness: While the Spirit is not portrayed on the throne in the same manner as the Father and Son, He is nonetheless an essential part of the "redeeming Trinity" and the "three great powers of heaven".
Overcoming Evil: It is only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, coming with the fullness of divine power, that the prince of evil can be held in check.
Through the Spirit, Christ comes to us personally, for the Spirit represents Him so perfectly as to be practically Him in our hearts John 14:18. This divine arrangement allows the Father and Son to remain on the throne of the universe while the Holy Spirit carries out the vital work of restoration within the human soul.
Sources · 15
- Ev 616.4Evangelism
- DA 671.2The Desire of Ages
- TDOC 191.4The Doctrine of Christ
- 4BC 1139.7EGW SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 4
- GH March 1, 1900, par. 5The Gospel Herald
- S23D 88.1The Sanctuary and Twenty-three Hundred Days
- BDOC 66.34The Godhead for Seventh-day Adventists
- 2MR 34.2Manuscript Releases, vol. 2 [Nos. 97-161]
- 6BC 1068.5EGW SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 6
- BDOC 66.22The Godhead for Seventh-day Adventists
- TDOC 30.8The Doctrine of Christ
- TM 392.2Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers
- SpTA10 37.1Special Testimonies for Ministers and Workers—No. 10
- BDOC 66.27The Godhead for Seventh-day Adventists
- ARSH May 29, 1855, page 233.9The Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald, vol. 6
If God is one Person, why our fundamental believes say God is Father, Son, ans holy spirit?
AdventAI
While some view God as a single person, the Scriptures and divine revelation clarify that the Godhead consists of three distinct, living persons who are one in purpose, character, and nature. This "heavenly trio" comprises the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who are the three highest powers in heaven working in perfect cooperation for the salvation of humanity. 🕊️
Three Persons in One God
Distinct Personalities: The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that there are three persons in one God, rather than three persons in one person.
The Father and the Son: Jesus addressed His Father as a person distinct from Himself over forty times in a single discourse, showing they are two separate individuals John 17:1-26.
The Holy Spirit: The Spirit is the third person of the Godhead, an eternal heavenly dignitary who stands under His own sanction and power.
United in Nature: While they are distinct individuals, they are one in thoughts, attributes, and mind, working in such perfect harmony that to see the Son is to see the Father John 10:30.
The Fullness of the Godhead
Divine Essence: In Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, meaning He possesses by nature every attribute of divinity Colossians 2:9.
Co-Equality: The Son is the exact image of the Father’s person, sharing the same substance and eternal power Hebrews 1:3.
The Baptismal Name: Believers are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, signifying a covenant relation with these three great authorities Matthew 28:19.
Working Together for Redemption
The Everlasting Covenant: The Father and the Son pledged themselves to the plan of salvation, mutually agreeing to give fallen man another chance.
The Role of the Spirit: The Holy Spirit makes manifest the power of divine grace to those who believe, acting as the regenerating agent that brings the soul into harmony with God.
Harmony of Action: This unity is not a physical blending into one person, but a spiritual union of two or more distinct beings who never work at cross purposes. 🤝
A Mystery of Faith
Beyond Comprehension: The nature of the Trinity is a mystery of faith that the human mind cannot fully solve or comprehend.
Accepting God's Word: We are encouraged to modestly believe what God has revealed about His own existence, even if we cannot explain the infinite mystery of how three distinct persons constitute the one true God.
Truth Between Extremes: The truth lies between the extreme of Unitarianism (which denies Christ's divinity) and forms of Trinitarianism that mistakenly claim the Father and Son are the same person.
By understanding that God is a unity of three divine persons, we can appreciate the infinite love shown when the Father gave His Son, and the Son gave His life, and the Spirit gives His presence to restore us to the divine image. ✨
Sources · 18
- Ev 615.1Evangelism
- ARSH November 5, 1861, page 184.5Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald, vol. 18
- Ev 617.3Evangelism
- 19LtMs, Ms 45, 1904, par. 16Letters and Manuscripts — Volume 19 (1904)
- ARSH March 4, 1862, page 109.16Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald, vol. 19
- 21LtMs, Ms 95, 1906, par. 29Letters and Manuscripts — Volume 21 (1906)
- SITI June 19, 1884, page 377.5The Signs of the Times, vol. 10
- 17LtMs, Ms 132, 1902, par. 4Letters and Manuscripts — Volume 17 (1902)
- PTUK July 18, 1895, page 452.8The Present Truth, vol. 11
- GCB April 3, 1903, page 69.8General Conference Bulletin, vol. 5
- TTR 332.3The Two Republics, or Rome and the United States of America
- 16LtMs, Ms 179, 1901, par. 13Letters and Manuscripts — Volume 16 (1901)
- 12LtMs, Ms 111, 1897, par. 25Letters and Manuscripts — Volume 12 (1897)
- EVRR245An Enduring Vision - Revelation Revealed
- SOTW 75.2The Saviour of the World
- SOTW 17.2The Saviour of the World
- ARSH August 29, 1865, page 101.3Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald, vol. 26
- ARSH November 10, 1863, page 189.16Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald, vol. 22