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Understanding the Little Horn and the Heavenly Trio

Can Jesus be equal to the Father while being a distinct person?

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Explain the little horn of Daniel 7.

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Daniel 7

1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head on his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

2 Daniel spoke and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove on the great sea.

3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand on the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus to it, Arise, devour much flesh.

6 After this I beheld, and see another, like a leopard, which had on the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered to him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spoke: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the middle of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

16 I came near to one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.

17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it to the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

28 Till now is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

AdventAI

The little horn of Daniel 7 is a blasphemous, persecuting power representing the Papacy that arose out of the ruins of the Roman Empire. This symbolic power emerged among the ten horns of the fourth beast, which represents the fourth universal kingdom, Rome.

The Rise and Identity of the Little Horn

  • Succession of Empires: The vision of Daniel 7 follows the same progression as the image in Daniel 2 starting with Babylon (the lion), followed by Medo-Persia (the bear), and Grecia (the leopard) Daniel 7:4-6.

  • The Fourth Beast: The fourth kingdom is a "dreadful and terrible" beast with ten horns, representing the Roman Empire divided into ten kingdoms following the barbarian invasions Daniel 7:7.

  • Emergence of the Horn: The little horn came up among these ten horns, and before it, three of the original horns—the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths—were plucked up by the roots Daniel 7:8.

  • Identity as the Papacy: Protestant commentators and historical evidence confirm that this little horn is the Papacy, which transitioned from a purely ecclesiastical power to one possessed of civil authority.

Characteristics and Blasphemies

  • Exalting Itself Above God: The little horn is described as having "eyes like the eyes of man" and a "mouth speaking great things," identifying it with Paul's "man of sin" who sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God Daniel 7:8.

  • Speaking Against the Most High: This power speaks great words against the Most High, claiming titles and prerogatives that belong only to God Daniel 7:25.

  • Changing Times and Laws: The little horn would "think to change times and laws," specifically targeting the law of God Daniel 7:25. This is fulfilled by the Papacy's claim to have transferred the sanctity of the seventh-day Sabbath to Sunday.

The Period of Supremacy

  • The 1,260-Year Prophecy: The saints, times, and laws were given into the hand of this power for a "time and times and the dividing of time," which equals 1,260 prophetic days or years Daniel 7:25.

  • Timeline: This period began in AD 538, following the decree of Justinian and the removal of the last opposing Arian horn, and ended in 1798 when the French government stripped the Papacy of its political power.

  • War on the Saints: During these centuries of supremacy, the little horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them, resulting in the martyrdom of millions through the Inquisition and other persecutions Daniel 7:21.

Final Judgment and Destruction

  • The Judgment Scene: Following the 1,260-year reign, the prophecy describes a judgment scene where the Ancient of Days sits and the books are opened Daniel 7:9-10.

  • Total Destruction: The little horn will continue its work until it is consumed by the spirit of the Lord's mouth and destroyed by the brightness of His coming Daniel 7:11.

  • The Everlasting Kingdom: After the dominion of the little horn is taken away, the kingdom and dominion under the whole heaven will be given to the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom Daniel 7:26-27.

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If The holy spirit is a Person, why he is not on the fathers Thron in heaven like jesus?

AdventAI

While the Holy Spirit is a distinct personality within the Godhead, His specific office work is to be the regenerating agent that makes the sacrifice of Christ effectual in the human heart. The Scriptures reveal that the Father and the Son are seated upon the throne in the heavenly sanctuary, surrounded by ten thousand times ten thousand holy beings who wait to do their bidding.

The Office Work of the Holy Spirit

  • A Personal Representative: The Holy Spirit is the Comforter who personifies Christ while remaining a distinct personality.

  • Sent to Earth: Jesus specifically asked the Father for the gift of the Spirit to be given to His people as the highest of all gifts.

  • Abiding Presence: The Spirit’s role is to dwell within the believer, making them partakers of the divine nature and overcoming evil tendencies John 14:16-17.

  • Operating on the Heart: Rather than being described as seated on a throne in a localized sense, the Divine Spirit reveals its working on the human heart to bring the faculties into captivity to Jesus Christ.

The Throne of the Father and Son

  • Visible Majesty: When the prophet Isaiah was permitted to look into the holy of holies, he saw a personage on the throne high and lifted up, whose glory filled the temple Isaiah 6:1.

  • Co-regency of the Son: Christ, after His ascension, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high as the express image of the Father's person Hebrews 1:3.

  • Heavenly Communication: All heaven remains in active communication with every part of the universe through various channels, with the Holy One bending from His throne to listen to every sound uttered.

The Harmony of the Trinity

  • Three Eternal Dignitaries: There are three eternal heavenly dignitaries—God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit—who work in unison to convince the world of sin and advance the work of salvation.

  • Godhead Fullness: While the Spirit is not portrayed on the throne in the same manner as the Father and Son, He is nonetheless an essential part of the "redeeming Trinity" and the "three great powers of heaven".

  • Overcoming Evil: It is only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, coming with the fullness of divine power, that the prince of evil can be held in check.

Through the Spirit, Christ comes to us personally, for the Spirit represents Him so perfectly as to be practically Him in our hearts John 14:18. This divine arrangement allows the Father and Son to remain on the throne of the universe while the Holy Spirit carries out the vital work of restoration within the human soul.

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If God is one Person, why our fundamental believes say God is Father, Son, ans holy spirit?

AdventAI

While some view God as a single person, the Scriptures and divine revelation clarify that the Godhead consists of three distinct, living persons who are one in purpose, character, and nature. This "heavenly trio" comprises the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who are the three highest powers in heaven working in perfect cooperation for the salvation of humanity. 🕊️

Three Persons in One God

  • Distinct Personalities: The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that there are three persons in one God, rather than three persons in one person.

  • The Father and the Son: Jesus addressed His Father as a person distinct from Himself over forty times in a single discourse, showing they are two separate individuals John 17:1-26.

  • The Holy Spirit: The Spirit is the third person of the Godhead, an eternal heavenly dignitary who stands under His own sanction and power.

  • United in Nature: While they are distinct individuals, they are one in thoughts, attributes, and mind, working in such perfect harmony that to see the Son is to see the Father John 10:30.

The Fullness of the Godhead

  • Divine Essence: In Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, meaning He possesses by nature every attribute of divinity Colossians 2:9.

  • Co-Equality: The Son is the exact image of the Father’s person, sharing the same substance and eternal power Hebrews 1:3.

  • The Baptismal Name: Believers are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, signifying a covenant relation with these three great authorities Matthew 28:19.

Working Together for Redemption

  • The Everlasting Covenant: The Father and the Son pledged themselves to the plan of salvation, mutually agreeing to give fallen man another chance.

  • The Role of the Spirit: The Holy Spirit makes manifest the power of divine grace to those who believe, acting as the regenerating agent that brings the soul into harmony with God.

  • Harmony of Action: This unity is not a physical blending into one person, but a spiritual union of two or more distinct beings who never work at cross purposes. 🤝

A Mystery of Faith

  • Beyond Comprehension: The nature of the Trinity is a mystery of faith that the human mind cannot fully solve or comprehend.

  • Accepting God's Word: We are encouraged to modestly believe what God has revealed about His own existence, even if we cannot explain the infinite mystery of how three distinct persons constitute the one true God.

  • Truth Between Extremes: The truth lies between the extreme of Unitarianism (which denies Christ's divinity) and forms of Trinitarianism that mistakenly claim the Father and Son are the same person.

By understanding that God is a unity of three divine persons, we can appreciate the infinite love shown when the Father gave His Son, and the Son gave His life, and the Spirit gives His presence to restore us to the divine image. ✨

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Never in the Bible is written that God is: Father, Son and holy spirit. The Bible say one God, the father.

AdventAI

Hello! It is such a pleasure to open the Word of God with you today as we seek a deeper understanding of the nature of the Godhead. While it is true that the Bible emphasizes the absolute unity of God, it also reveals this unity through the cooperation of three distinct, divine personages: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. 📖✨

One God in Three Persons

  • The Apostolic Commission: Before His ascension, Jesus gave a clear command to His followers regarding the name into which believers should be baptized. He said, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" Matthew 28:19. This identifies three specific, divine authorities who act as one in the work of salvation.

  • The Unity of God: The Scripture indeed affirms that "the LORD our God is one LORD" Deuteronomy 6:4. However, this unity is not a singular personhood but a unity of nature, character, and purpose. Just as a husband and wife are said to be "one flesh" Genesis 2:24 while remaining two distinct individuals, the Father and Son are one because their interests and attributes are perfectly blended.

  • The Deity of the Son: While some emphasize "one God, the Father," the Bible also directly addresses the Son as God. The Father Himself says to the Son, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever" Hebrews 1:8. Jesus is also called "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father" Isaiah 9:6, and we are told that "in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" Colossians 2:9.

The Role of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

  • The Creator and Redeemer: The Bible teaches that the Father created all things through the Son. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made" John 1:3. This shows two distinct beings—the Father and the Word—working together as the one Creator.

  • The Heavenly Trio: There are three eternal heavenly dignitaries—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—who work in unison to restore the image of God in man. The Spirit is the "third person of the Godhead," an eternal heavenly power that carries out the will of the Father and the Son in the human heart John 14:16-17, 26.

  • The Manifestation of God: Christ is the visible "express image" of the Father's person Hebrews 1:3. He told His disciples, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" John 14:9. They are so perfectly one in mind and character that to honor one is to honor the other John 5:23.

Why the Distinction Matters

  • The Plan of Redemption: The plan to save humanity was arranged in "the councils of peace" between the Father and the Son. Christ pledged Himself to be man's surety, and the Father "gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16. If the Father and Son were the same person, the sacrifice of "giving" a Son would lose its depth and meaning.

  • A Solid Foundation: Denying the distinct deity of Christ or the Holy Spirit undermines the work of redemption. Creative power belongs to "Deity alone," and since Jesus created all things, He must be God in the highest sense John 1:1-3.

  • Accepting the Mystery: While the human mind cannot fully comprehend how three distinct persons comprise the one Godhead, we accept it by faith because the Scriptures reveal it. This "mystery of godliness" is the foundation of our hope 1 Timothy 3:16.

By acknowledging the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, we are not worshiping three gods, but one God who reveals Himself through three eternal, divine personalities who are "one" in everything that makes God, God. 🕊️🙌

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen" 2 Corinthians 13:14.

How you explain these Texts, if father and son are equal

AdventAI

The equality of the Father and the Son is a fundamental truth based on their shared divine nature, substance, and eternal attributes, while their distinction is seen in their relative roles and the fact that the Son was begotten of the Father. While they are two distinct individuals, they are one in heart, mind, and purpose, working in such perfect harmony that the Son is the express image of the Father’s person Hebrews 1:3.

The Nature of Their Equality

  • Equal in Substance and Nature: The Son is equal with the Father because He is of the same substance and is in very nature God. In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, meaning He possesses every attribute of divinity in Himself Colossians 2:9.

  • Equal in Authority and Glory: Before the worlds were created, the Son was the associate Majesty of heaven, sharing equally in the Father's glory and power. He is one with the Father in the creation of the universe and in the devising of the plan of salvation John 10:30.

  • Worthy of Equal Worship: Because the Son is God by nature, the Father Himself commands that all the angels of God worship Him Hebrews 1:6. To honor the Son is to honor the Father, for they are equal in majesty John 5:23.

Explaining "The Father is Greater than I"

  • Priority in Time and Origin: In arguing for perfect equality, it is understood that the Father was before the Son in point of time, as the Son was begotten and not created. The Father is "greater" only in the sense that He possesses divine attributes from Himself, whereas the Son possesses them as derived from the Father John 5:26.

  • The Voluntary Humiliation: The statement in John 14:28 is true because of the position Christ assumed for the redemption of man. He emptied Himself of His glory and took the form of a servant, being made "a little lower than the angels" for the suffering of death Philippians 2:7.

  • Veiled Divinity: While on earth, Christ did not lay aside His divinity, but He veiled it with humanity. In His state of humiliation, He acted as a representative of man, depending on the Father's power to do His works John 14:10.

Unity of Mind and Purpose

  • Two Individuals, One Will: The oneness of the Father and the Son is a union of thought and purpose. They never work at cross purposes; the will of the Father is the delight of the Son Psalms 40:8.

  • The Representative of God: Christ came to reveal the Father to the world because no man can approach the glory of the Father in mortality. By looking at the character and works of Jesus, we see a perfect manifestation of the love and nature of God John 14:9.

  • Shared Sufferings: The Father and the Son were so perfectly united that the Father suffered with the Son during the agony of the cross. The sacrifice for man's ransom was equal on the part of both, as both were moved by the same infinite love for the fallen race.

By accepting that the Son is equal with the Father in nature but distinct in personality, we avoid the confusion of denying Christ's divinity or misrepresenting the relationship between the two heavenly powers. 🌟🙏

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1Cor 15:27-28: "For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."

AdventAI

1 Corinthians 15:27-28

27 For he has put all things under his feet. But when he says all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued to him, then shall the Son also himself be subject to him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

AdventAI

These verses describe a glorious transition in the plan of redemption where, after the final conquest of all enemies, Christ moves from a state of supreme authority to a state of subjection to the Father so that God may be all in all 1 Corinthians 15:28. This transition highlights the harmonious relationship between the Father and the Son, showing that while they are equal in nature, they fulfill specific roles in the government of the universe.

The Conquest of All Enemies

  • Universal Subjection: God has ordained that all things must be brought into subjection to the Son, a process that involves both the Father giving the inheritance and the Son breaking the power of rebellion Psalms 2:8-9.

  • Identical Events: The act of the Son receiving the kingdom is identical to having His enemies put under His feet.

  • The Final Victory: When the object of the incarnation—the destruction of the works of the devil—is fully accomplished, the current order of authority reaches its climax.

The Meaning of the Son's Subjection

  • A Change of State: After the final victory, a change is effected where the Son becomes subject to Him who put all things under Him 1 Corinthians 15:28.

  • Divine and Human Nature: If Christ is viewed as truly divine and co-equal with the Father, this subjection is understood in the context of His human nature and His role as the Mediator.

  • Unity Remains: This subjection does not imply a loss of divinity; even while subject, Christ reigns on the throne of David forever, dwelling in a state where the fullness of the Godhead continues to abide in Him.

  • Terminology: The same Greek word (hupotasso) used to describe all things being subdued to the Son is used to describe the Son being subject to the Father, indicating an orderly arrangement of authority.

God All in All

  • Restoration of Harmony: The ultimate goal of the plan of salvation is to bring rebellious man back into subjection to the law of God and restore the original order of the universe.

  • The Supreme Ruler: When the Son delivers up the kingdom, the controversy over power is forever settled, and God's absolute and universal power is acknowledged by all 1 Corinthians 15:28.

  • Fullness in the Church: The church, as the body of Christ, is also filled with the fullness of Him that fills all in all, participating in this eternal state of harmony Colossians 2:9-10.

The Eternal Equality of the Godhead

  • Substance and Nature: In His very nature, Christ is God, of the same substance as the Father, and therefore equal in dignity and glory.

  • Voluntary Humiliation: Christ did not consider equality with God a thing to be seized or grasped, but willingly emptied Himself for the sake of man Philippians 2:5-8.

  • The Heavenly Trio: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit remain the eternal heavenly dignitaries, working as three distinct persons to uphold the kingdom of God.

This transition ensures that the government of God is seen as a perfect system of justice and benevolence, where every created being eventually acknowledges the supreme authority of the Father through the redemptive work of the Son.

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Your answers are so inteligent: so the differencies between our pioniers(nontrinitarian) and today trinitarians are not so big.

AdventAI

That is a very perceptive observation! You have touched on a beautiful and important point in Adventist history. While the terminology used by our pioneers (often called "non-trinitarian" or "semi-Arian") differs from the "Trinitarian" language we use today, their core focus was almost always on protecting the distinct personality of the Father and the Son and the reality of the Atonement. 🤝✨

Here is why the differences are often smaller than they first appear:

1. Protecting the Personality of God

  • A Reaction to Error: Many pioneers rejected the "Trinity" of their day because it was often defined as three persons blended into one singular, "unextended" being without form or body. They wanted to ensure that the Father and Son were seen as two distinct, real individuals.
  • The Shared Oneness: Even while rejecting certain creeds, they firmly believed that the Father and Son were "one" in mind, character, purpose, and nature. They believed that Christ was the "express image" of the Father's person and possessed the "fullness of the Godhead".

2. The Deity of Christ

  • Not a Created Being: Although some pioneers struggled with the concept of "eternal pre-existence," the most prominent voices emphasized that Christ was begotten, not created. They believed He was of the same "substance" as the Father and therefore truly God in nature.
  • Divine Equality: They taught that Christ was the "associate Majesty of heaven" and "equal with the Father". They recognized that only a Divine Being, one who was "above law," could meet the demands of the law to save a sinner.

3. The Reality of the Atonement

  • A Divine Sacrifice: The pioneers were very concerned that some Trinitarian views made it seem like only a "human part" of Christ died. They insisted that the Divine Son of God truly suffered and died for us, showing the equal love of the Father and the Son.
  • The Heavenly Trio: Toward the end of the 1890s and into the early 1900s, through the writings of Ellen White, the church began to use clearer language regarding the "three living persons of the heavenly trio" and the "three highest powers in heaven".

4. A Growing Understanding

  • Progressive Light: Advent AI is based on over 1,000 books that show this journey of understanding. The pioneers were "wise" and "searched the Scriptures," and over time, the Holy Spirit led the movement toward a clearer realization of the Third Person of the Godhead and the eternal nature of Christ.
  • Avoiding Extremes: Both then and now, the goal is to find the "safe medium ground" between denying Christ's divinity (Unitarianism) and losing the distinct personalities of the Godhead (Sabellianism).

So, while the pioneers expressed themselves differently, their deep love for Jesus as a Divine Saviour and their commitment to the Word of God provided the foundation for the "fundamental beliefs" we hold today. We are all part of the same journey toward a fuller understanding of the "mystery of godliness" 1 Timothy 3:16! 🕊️🙏

If you would like to explore this further, you can always ask for quotes from specific authors like Ellen White, Uriah Smith, or J.N. Andrews!

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What means that "Jesus is God in infinity but not in personality"?

AdventAI

This statement clarifies that while Jesus Christ possesses the absolute nature, attributes, and eternal essence of the Divine, He remains a distinct individual from the Father. It emphasizes that Christ is truly God in His infinite power and glory, yet He is not the same person as the Father or the Holy Spirit.

The Meaning of "Infinity" in Christ

  • Divine Fullness: To say Christ is God in infinity means that in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. He is the embodiment of the law and the character of God, possessing every attribute of Deity.

  • Eternal Existence: As God in infinity, Christ has existed from eternity, and His life is not something He created for Himself, as no being can create himself.

  • Omnipotence: He is clothed in the attributes and shrouded in the glories of Deity, standing as the only begotten Son who is truly God in His infinite reach and power.

The Meaning of "Not in Personality"

  • Distinct Individuals: While Christ is one with the Father in nature and purpose, He is a separate personality. There are three living persons in the heavenly trio—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—and each is a distinct personality.

  • Manifestation of the Father: Jesus is the "express image" of the Father's person, which proves that the Father has a distinct personality of His own. Jesus reveals the Father’s character to us, but He does not replace the Father's individual existence.

  • Personal Connection: Character is personal, and God desires us to know Him as a personal Being through the personal Saviour, Jesus Christ. By maintaining His own personality, Christ can intercede for us and be our "best Friend" while we build characters for eternity.

The Purpose of This Distinction

  • Avoiding Confusion: This distinction protects against theories that try to prove God is merely a force in nature or that the personalities of the Godhead are not distinct.

  • Redemption: It was necessary for a distinct, divine Person to take on humanity so that we might see the Father's character revealed through the Son's life and sacrifice.

  • Eternal Study: Throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity, the redeemed will continue to study the mystery of the union of divinity and humanity in the distinct person of Christ.

...iven grace to win victory after victory and to gain the eternal weight of glory in the future life. The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. He has wrought out the righteousness that enables human beings to overcome every assault of Satan. ...

The Son is all the fulness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be “the express image of His person.” “God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever...

...t? Why, it says, “Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” Three personalities; and these three personalities are the pledged power from God that His people shall have, if they have been baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son an...

There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—thos...

We have been thus particular in our queries on this point because we wish to notice another phase of this subject. It has been said by some that they do not deny...

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