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Heavenly Hierarchy: Lucifer's Original Position and the Godhead

Why was Lucifer the third being in heaven, but not the Holy Spirit?

AdventAI

Was Lucifer called the third in heaven? The father being first Christ second and lose for third or is he just second to Christ or first after God with Christ and the father both being one and lucifer 2?

AdventAI

Lucifer was indeed the third being in power and glory in the heavenly courts. While God the Father and Jesus Christ held the supreme positions of authority, Lucifer occupied the high station immediately following them.

The Heavenly Hierarchy

Before his fall, Lucifer held a position of immense honor and responsibility that was uniquely high among the angelic host.

  • Order of Power: Lucifer was the third being in power and glory, following the Father and the Son.

  • Station and Role: He was the anointed covering cherub, stationed on the holy mountain of God and walking in the midst of the stones of fire Ezekiel 28:14.

  • Relationship to Christ: His position was next to that of Christ, and he was radiant with holiness.

  • Endowments: God made him noble, giving him rich endowments, beauty, and loveliness to be used for the glory of his Maker.

The Origin of Disaffection

The rebellion in heaven began specifically because Lucifer became dissatisfied with this third-place position and coveted the honor belonging to Christ.

  • Envy of Christ: Lucifer was not content with his high office and envied the position occupied by the Son of God.

  • Desire for Supremacy: He sought to exalt his own throne above the stars of God, desiring to be equal with God and first in the heavenly councils Isaiah 14:13-14.

  • Disputed Rights: He questioned the right of God to bestow upon Christ certain honors and authority that were withheld from himself.

  • Self-Exaltation: Little by little, he indulged a desire for self-exaltation, seeking to win the homage and service of other creatures for himself rather than for God.

The Result of Rebellion

Because Lucifer refused to yield his selfish ambition and swerved from his allegiance to God, he could no longer remain in the heavenly courts.

  • War in Heaven: His deceptive suggestions led to a great rebellion and eventual war in heaven Revelation 12:7.

  • Cast Out: Lucifer and all the angels who sympathized with his disaffection were cast out of the presence of God 2 Peter 2:4.

  • Loss of Estate: He lost his radiant throne and his first estate, becoming the avowed antagonist of Christ on the earth Jude 6.

It is a solemn thought that even those in the highest stations must remain watchful and humble, as the fear of the Lord is the beginning of true wisdom Psalms 111:10.

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But is Christ any less or next to the Father? Or are they Both 1 and equal?

AdventAI

Jesus Christ is the absolute equal of the Father in every respect, possessing the same nature, authority, and glory. While the Father and Son are distinct in person, they are perfectly one in purpose, mind, and character, sharing the same original and underived life John 10:30.

The Equality of the Father and the Son

Jesus is not a created being nor is He "next" to God in a way that implies inferiority; He is the express image of the Father's person and equal in dignity and perfection Hebrews 1:3.

  • Equal in Person and Might: Christ is the One equal with the Father in might, power, and glory.

  • Equal in Creation: As the Word who was with God and was God, He wrought with the Father in the work of creation John 1:1-3.

  • Equal in Authority: He possesses all authority in heaven and on earth, being legally entitled to this power as the divine Son Matthew 28:18.

  • Equal in Eternity: He was in the presence of the Father from the beginning, sharing the glory of the Godhead from all eternity.

Life Original, Unborrowed, and Underived

The most profound evidence of Christ's equality with the Father is the nature of the life He possesses. Unlike humans or angels, who receive life from God, Christ has life inherently within Himself.

  • The Fountain of Life: In Christ is life that is original, unborrowed, and underived.

  • Self-Existence: He is the Life-giver who has the power to lay down His life and the power to take it up again John 10:18.

  • Divine Property: This eternal life is the exclusive property of God, and because Christ was God, He had this life in Himself John 5:26.

The Heavenly Trio

The Godhead is composed of three living persons who are united in the work of redemption. While there is an order in their operation, they are co-equal in their divinity.

  • The Three Great Powers: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the three great powers of heaven who co-operate with believers.

  • Equality of Persons: As God the Son, Jesus is equal with the Father in His person, even though in the economy of salvation He may fulfill a specific office.

  • The Plan of Redemption: The entire Godhead was stirred with pity for the fallen race, and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit gave themselves to the plan of redemption.

The Mystery of the Incarnation

Although Christ was equal with God, He chose to clothe His divinity with humanity to reach the human family. This was a voluntary act of humiliation, not a change in His divine status.

  • Form of God: Being in the form of God, He thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but emptied Himself to become a servant Philippians 2:6-7.

  • The Mediator: Even in His humiliation, He remained the "I AM," the one through whom the Father's character was perfectly revealed to the world John 1:18.

It is our privilege to behold the excellence of Christ and to know that in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily Colossians 2:9.

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Now here is another question, if lucifer was next two Christ, where is the Holy Spirit and why is he not mentioned?

AdventAI

The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead, and while He holds a position of absolute equality with the Father and the Son, His work is distinct and often characterized by a sacred invisibility as He represents Christ to humanity. 😇

The Position of the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is not an inferior influence but is one of the three eternal heavenly dignitaries who possess full divine authority. He is co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and the Son, and together they constitute the one true Godhead.

  • The Heavenly Trio: The Godhead is composed of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, who are the three living persons of the heavenly trio.

  • Equal in Divinity: In Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, and this same divine fullness belongs to the Spirit of truth who is sent by the Father and the Son Colossians 2:9.

  • Unity of Action: These three great powers of heaven are united in the work of redemption, each working in perfect harmony toward the same goal.

Why the Spirit is Not Mentioned in Lucifer's Envy

Lucifer’s rebellion was specifically centered on a desire to be included in the inner counsels of the Father and the Son and to receive the worship and authority that belonged only to Christ.

  • The Object of Envy: Lucifer coveted the position of the divine Word, the Son of God, who was the express image of the Father.

  • Distinct Roles: While the Father and Son are the creators of all things, the Holy Spirit’s office is that of a Comforter, a Teacher, and the agent through whom God communicates with man John 14:16.

  • The Mystery of His Nature: The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery that human minds cannot comprehend, and it is a topic where silence is considered golden.

The Role of the Holy Spirit in Redemption

The Holy Spirit is the "third person of the Godhead," and His work is to take what is Christ’s and make it real to the believer. 🕊️

  • Christ’s Representative: After Christ ascended and was enthroned, the Holy Spirit descended as a token that Christ had received all authority in heaven and on earth.

  • Convicting and Recreating: It is the office of the Holy Spirit to convict of sin, regenerate the heart, and restore the defaced image of God in man.

  • Indwelling Presence: Believers are called to be the temple of the Holy Spirit, showing that He is the personal presence of God within the soul temple 1 Corinthians 6:19.

The Unpardonable Sin

The high status of the Holy Spirit is seen in the fact that to deliberately reject His work is the unpardonable sin Matthew 12:31-32.

  • The Channel of Communication: Because the Spirit is the agency through whom God speaks to the heart, rejecting Him cuts off the only channel through which heaven can reach the soul.

  • Resisting Evidence: Those who attribute the manifest power of the Holy Spirit to satanic agencies, as the Pharisees did, place themselves on ground where they cannot be reached by divine grace.

We can rest in the assurance that the entire Godhead—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—is fully committed to our salvation and works with more than mortal energy to help us overcome. 🌟

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