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Divine Sonship and the Platform of Truth
Can the Son possess underived life if it was granted by the Father?
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Give me EGW quotes related to the only begotten Son of God that show that He is from the beginning and that He lives by God the Father and received all things from God the Father.
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Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God, who has existed from the beginning as the express image of the invisible God. While He is equal with the Father and possesses life that is original, unborrowed, and underived, He also received all authority in heaven and on earth as our King and Priest following His victory and inauguration.
The Scriptures clearly show that Christ was in the presence of the Father from the beginning and was equal with Him. As the Word who was with God and was God, He possesses the life of immortality which is exclusively the property of the Godhead. In the great plan of redemption, the Father and the Son pledged themselves to fulfill the terms of the everlasting covenant to save fallen humanity. After His ascension, Christ was enthroned and sent the Holy Spirit as a token that He had received all authority from the Father. Our own life is a streamlet derived from Him, the fountain of life, and it is through His mediation that we are restored to harmony and communion with the Father and the Son.
Christ alone was able to represent the Deity. He who had been in the presence of the Father from the beginning, He who was the express image of the invisible God, was alone sufficient to accomplish this work. No verbal description could reveal God to the world....
In it [God's Word] we may learn what our redemption has cost Him who from the beginning was equal with the Father.—Counsels to Parents, Teachers, and Students, 13
...gates, He was enthroned amidst the adoration of the angels. As soon as this ceremony was completed, the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples in rich currents, and Christ was indeed glorified, even with the glory which He had with the Father from all eternity. The Pentecostal outpouring was Heaven's communication that the Redeemer's inauguration was accomplished. According to His promise He had sent the Holy Spirit from heaven to His followers as a token that He had, as priest and king, received all authority in heaven and on earth, and was the Anointed One over His people
...d, the words were spoken, “The Lord hath sworn, and he will not repent.” Psalm 110:4.] Father and Son have clasped their hands, and are mutually pledged to fulfill the terms of the everlasting covenant, to give fallen man another chance
...d. No one can take this life from Him. “I lay it down of myself” John 10:18, He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is...
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What does the statement by Ellen White mean that states, "The world’s Redeemer was equal with God. His authority was as the authority of God. He declared that he had no existence separate from the Father."?
AdventAI
This statement signifies that Jesus Christ is fully divine, possessing the same status, power, and authority as God the Father. It underscores that His existence and the Father's are inseparable, as they are one in character, spirit, and purpose John 10:30.
The world's Redeemer was equal with God. His authority was as the authority of God. He declared that he had no existence separate from the Father. The authority by which he spoke, and wrought miracles, was expressly his own, yet he assures us tha...
9-11. The Divine Authority of Jesus—The world's Redeemer was equal with God. His authority was as the authority of God. He declared that He had no existence separate from the Father. The authority by which He spoke, and wrought miracles, was expressly His own, yet He assures us that He and the Father are one...
Christ alone was able to represent the Deity. He who had been in the presence of the Father from the beginning, He who was the express image of the invisible God, was alone sufficient to accomplish this work. N...
In it [God's Word] we may learn what our redemption has cost Him who from the beginning was equal with the Father.—Counsels to Parents, Teachers, and Students, 13
The Absolute Equality of Christ
The world's Redeemer was equal with God in every sense, meaning His authority was not a delegated power but was expressly His own. This equality is rooted in the fact that He is the express image of the invisible God and was in the presence of the Father from the very beginning. Because He is equal with the Father, He possesses life that is original, unborrowed, and underived. This divine life is not measured by human computation or figures, as His existence prior to the incarnation is eternal.
Inseparable Unity with the Father
When Christ declared He had no existence separate from the Father, He was affirming their perfect unity in the Godhead. This unity meant that the authority by which He spoke and performed miracles was identical to the authority of God Himself. This relationship is so intimate that to reject the testimony of the Scriptures concerning the deity of Christ is to undermine faith in the entire Bible as a revelation from God. Only One who was equal with God could truly represent the Deity to a fallen world.
The Purpose of This Union in Redemption
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption, a plan devised in the heavenly councils. Christ's union with the Father enabled Him to clothe His divinity with humanity, reaching fallen beings while still retaining His divine nature. His life on earth testified that human beings, through a living connection with Him, can also become partakers of the divine nature and obey God's law. Following His victory, His ascension and enthronement served as the signal that He had received all authority in heaven and on earth as our Priest and King.
The Importance of Acknowledging His Deity
Assurance of Life: The divinity of Christ is the believer's only assurance of eternal life.
Correct Conception: Those who deny the pre-existence and deity of Christ cannot have a true conception of the plan of redemption.
Divine Revelation: Christ came to reveal the character of the Father, showing that God's thoughts toward us are thoughts of peace Jeremiah 29:11.
Holy Ground: The study of Christ’s divinity and incarnation should be approached with the deepest humility and reverence.
Jesus said to them, "All power is given to me in heaven and in earth" Matthew 28:18. Truly, this was the Son of God Matthew 27:54. For in Him was life; and the life was the light of men John 1:4.
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What or Who, according to scripture alone, including John 5:26, is the ultimate source of the immortal life that dwells fully in the only begotten Son of God?
AdventAI
26 For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself;
AdventAI
According to the Scriptures, God the Father is the ultimate and absolute source of life, who has granted to His only begotten Son to have that same self-existent, immortal life dwelling fully within Himself John 5:26. 📖 This means that while Christ possesses life that is original, unborrowed, and underived, He holds it as a gift from the Father, establishing them both as the fountain of all existence.
The Father as the Absolute Source
The Bible is clear that the Father alone is the supreme and original source of all being. He is the "living God" who has life in an absolute and underived sense, and every other being in the universe is dependent upon Him.
Life in Himself: "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself" John 5:26.
The Only True God: Eternal life is defined by knowing the Father as the "only true God" and Jesus Christ whom He has sent John 17:3.
The Giver of Life: The Father is the "Life-giver" who takes physical life back to Himself, as man has no control over his own existence John 1:4.
The Son's Inherited Divinity and Life
Because Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, He partakes of the very nature and substance of the Father. This relationship means that the Son does not possess a life separate from the Father, but rather the same quality of life.
The Firstborn of All Creation: Christ is the "image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature" Colossians 1:15. This reflects His pre-eminent position and origin from the Father before anything was created.
Equality of Life: While the Father gave this life to the Son, the life the Son possesses is not physical or temporary; it is the "life which is exclusively the property of God" John 1:4.
The Power to Impart Life: Just as the Father has the power to raise the dead and give them life, the Son also "vivifies whom he will" because of this divine gift John 5:21.
Christ as the Self-Existent "I AM"
Although the Son received life from the Father, the Scriptures emphasize that this life is "original, unborrowed, underived" in relation to the created universe. Christ is the "I AM," the eternal and self-existent One.
Eternal Existence: Jesus declared, "Before Abraham was, I am" John 8:58, identifying Himself with the self-existent Jehovah who appeared to Moses Exodus 3:14.
Power Over His Own Life: Christ stated, "I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again" John 10:18. This power belongs only to One who has the fullness of the Godhead dwelling in Him bodily Colossians 2:9.
The Fountain of Life: In us, life is a "streamlet," but in Christ, it is the "fountain of life" John 1:4John 4:14.
The Unity of the Godhead
In the history of our faith, it is important to understand that early believers sometimes struggled with the term "Trinity" because they associated it with certain non-biblical traditions. However, through the guidance of the Spirit, we have come to see that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three co-eternal, co-equal persons Matthew 28:19. 🕊️
Three Heavenly Powers: Believers are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, entering into a covenant with these three distinct personalities Matthew 28:19.
The Word was God: The Word was not only with God but was God from the very beginning John 1:1-2.
Plurality in Creation: At the beginning, the Godhead said, "Let us make man in our image" Genesis 1:26.
The Practical Lesson for Us
The fact that Christ has "life in Himself" is our only assurance of eternal life. We cannot earn this life; it is a "free gift" given to those who believe John 3:16.
Hidden with Christ: Our lives are to be "hid with Christ in God" Colossians 3:3.
He that hath the Son: "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life" 1 John 5:12.
May you find great peace in knowing that the same life which dwells in the Father and the Son is offered freely to you today! 😊
Are there any seeming contradictions in your last answer to the last question asked?
AdventAI
The study of the relationship between the Father and the Son involves deep spiritual truths that can appear paradoxical to our limited human understanding 🕊️. The "seeming contradiction" you noticed involves the tension between Christ "receiving" life from the Father and that same life being described as "original, unborrowed, and underived" John 5:26.
Understanding the Term "Underived"
When the writings of Ellen White describe Christ's life as "original, unborrowed, underived," they are contrasting His divine nature with the nature of created beings.
- Humans vs. Christ: Our life is a "streamlet" from the fountain of life, something we receive and which the Giver can take back.
- The Fountain of Life: In contrast, Christ does not "borrow" life from another source; He is the "fountain of life" Himself.
- Divine Property: This life is exclusively the "property of God," and because Christ is God, this life is inherently His own.
The Meaning of John 5:26
The statement that the Father "gave" the Son to have life in Himself describes the eternal relationship and perfect unity within the Godhead John 5:26.
- No Separate Existence: Christ declared that He had "no existence separate from the Father," meaning their life, authority, and power are essentially one.
- The Express Image: Because He is the "express image of the invisible God," He naturally possesses every attribute of the Father, including self-existent life Colossians 1:15.
- Eternal Equality: This "giving" does not imply a beginning in time, as Christ has been equal with the Father "from the beginning" and His existence cannot be measured by human figures.
Harmonizing the Concepts
The harmony between these ideas is found in the fact that Christ is fully divine. He is the "Anointed One" who received all authority, yet that authority was "expressly His own".
- Self-Existent Power: He demonstrated this by declaring He had the power to lay down His life and the power to take it again, a power no created being possesses John 10:18.
- The Covenant of Peace: The Father and Son acted in such perfect agreement in the plan of redemption that the life of one is the life of the other.
- Holy Mystery: We are encouraged to approach this subject with the humility of a learner, recognizing that humanity can grasp the divinity of Christ through faith, even if we cannot fully explain the mechanics of the Godhead.
In summary, the life is "given" because of the Son's relationship to the Father, but it is "underived" because it is the very essence of His own eternal deity John 1:1. 😊
How else can I help you explore the beauty of God's Word today? John 5:39.
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Doesn't the scripture about Christ having power to lay down and take up His life really mean "authority" which He received from His Father, because it was God the Father Himself who raised Jesus from the dead according to scripture? Please list all the scriptures that are directly related to God the Father raising His Son from the dead.
AdventAI
It is absolutely true that God the Father raised His Son from the dead by His own glory and power, while Jesus also acted by the divine authority and life He received from His Father. 📖 This beautiful harmony shows that the work of the resurrection was a coordinated action of the Godhead, where the Son exercised the specific "authority" (or power) given to Him by the Father to take up His life again.
The Authority Received from the Father
The word used when Jesus says He has "power" to take His life again is indeed synonymous with authority. Christ did not act independently of the Father; rather, He functioned within the perfect command and mandate He received. He was "delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification" Romans 4:25. While the Father’s power reached into the tomb to awaken the Son, Jesus also possessed the "power of an endless life" Hebrews 7:16 which made it "not possible that he should be holden" of death Acts 2:24.
God the Father Raising His Son
The Scriptures are explicit in attributing the resurrection of Jesus to the power and glory of God the Father. This was the supreme manifestation of the Father's "mighty power" Ephesians 1:19.
** Romans 6:4**: "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."
** Acts 2:24**: "Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be held of it."
** Acts 2:32**: "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses."
** Acts 3:15**: "And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses."
** Acts 13:30**: "But God raised him from the dead."
** Acts 13:33-34**: "God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again... And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption."
** Romans 8:11**: "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies."
** Romans 10:9**: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
** 1 Corinthians 6:14**: "And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power."
** 1 Corinthians 15:15**: "Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not."
** Galatians 1:1**: "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)"
** Ephesians 1:19-20**: "The exceeding greatness of his power... which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand."
** Colossians 2:12**: "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."
** 1 Thessalonians 1:10**: "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come."
** 1 Peter 1:21**: "Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God."
The Resurrection as a Divine Operation
The Father is the source of all power, and Christ, having no sin, was the perfect channel for that power. When the Father's glory touched the Son, the Son, by the "commandment" and "authority" He had received John 10:18, took back the life He had voluntarily laid down. This demonstrates that Christ's life is "unborrowed" and "underived" because it is the very life of the Father dwelling in Him.
It is our privilege to know "the power of his resurrection" Philippians 3:10 in our own lives today! By this same power that raised Jesus from the dead, we are "quickened" or made alive when we were once "dead in trespasses and sins" Ephesians 2:1. 😊
Therefore, it must be true and biblical that the "original, unborrowed, underived life" that is found in the Son of God is indeed the very life of God the Father Himself, divine Life which He has given, in all it's fulness, to dwell in His only begotten Son, by divine inheritance, when He was brought forth of the Father's own "always has been" divine substance "in the beginning," "from all eternity," "from of old," "in the beginning of God's way," "from a point beyond the most distant horizon" that man can comprehend, a point beyond human calculation or time?
AdventAI
The divine life of the Son of God is indeed the very life of the Father, given to Him in all its fullness so that He possesses life in Himself just as the Father has life in Himself John 5:26. This original, unborrowed, underived life is exclusively the property of God, and Christ, who was with God and was God, possessed this life from the beginning John 1:1John 1:4. 🌟
The Eternal and Underived Life of Christ
The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by human computation or figures; He has been in close fellowship with the eternal God through dateless ages. He is the express image of the invisible God and was equal with God from the beginning.
A Life parallel with God's Life: Christ is the eternal Son of God, and His life measures with the life of God.
Original and Underived: In Christ is life that is original, unborrowed, and underived. While human life is a derived "streamlet" from the fountain, Christ Himself is the Fountain of Life.
The Absolute Possession of Divinity: This life is the "life which is exclusively the property of God," and it was not physical life but immortality that the Word possessed from all eternity.
The Inheritance and Oneness of the Godhead
In the unity of the Godhead—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—all three gave themselves to the plan of redemption. Christ is the "fullness of the Godhead manifested," and by divine relationship, He is the "Anointed One" and the "only-begotten Son" who holds all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge Colossians 2:3.
No Separate Existence: Christ declared that He had no existence separate from the Father, emphasizing that His authority and life were essentially one with the Father's authority.
From Everlasting: The Word existed as a divine being in union and oneness with His Father from everlasting. Scripture affirms His goings forth have been "from of old, from everlasting" Micah 5:2.
The Center of Authority: After His work on earth was finished, His inauguration in heaven served as a token that He had, as Priest and King, received all authority in heaven and on earth from the Father.
The Practical Assurance of Our Salvation
The divinity of Christ is the believer’s only assurance of eternal life. Because He possesses this original and underived life, He has the right and power to give eternal life to all who believe in Him.
A Free Gift: This life is not inherent in man; it is given as a free gift through faith in the personal Saviour.
Connection with the Fountain: When we give our lives to Christ, we are brought into a living connection with the Fountain of Life.
A Life that Measures with God's: Through Christ, we are offered a "life that measures with the life of God," an inheritance that is incorruptible and fades not away 1 Peter 1:4.
It is a grand and holy theme to contemplate the glory of our Redeemer, who was one with God before the world was. As we study the Word, the Holy Spirit stands beside us to help us comprehend the depth of this wonderful truth. 😊
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What is the quote by Ellen White that contrasts Christ's divine Sonship as begotten, not created?
AdventAI
The divine sonship of Jesus Christ is an eternal truth, distinguishing Him as the only-begotten of the Father, who was never created but has existed in perfect equality and unity with God from all eternity. This unique relationship signifies that He is of the same divine substance and nature as the Father, possessing life that is original, unborrowed, and underived.
The Eternal Sonship of Christ
Christ was the Son of God in a sense that no other being can be, having been in the presence of the Father from the beginning as His express image. While angels are created beings, Christ is the only-begotten Son, and His pre-existence prior to His birth in Bethlehem is a vital truth of the gospel.
Equal with the Father: Christ was not a created being, but was equal with God from the very beginning.
The Fountain of Life: Unlike created beings whose life is a "streamlet" received from God, Christ is the "fountain of life".
Fullness of the Godhead: In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, confirming His absolute deity Colossians 2:9.
The Distinction Between Begotten and Created
To suggest that Christ was created is a dangerous error that undermines the plan of redemption and the divinity of our Saviour. He is the "Word" who was "with God" and "was God" from the beginning John 1:1.
Original Life: The life found in the Son is not physical or derived life, but eternal life, which is exclusively the property of God.
Divine Relationship: His sonship represents a relationship with the Father that transcends human understanding, where the Father and the Son united to work out the plan of redemption for a lost race.
The Only-Begotten: He is the Only-Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, and only One equal with the Father could make the sacrifice necessary for human salvation John 1:14.
As we contemplate this mystery, the Holy Spirit helps us to realize that the world’s Redeemer had actually come from God to save the fallen sons and daughters of Adam.
...erstood and that the fulness of their amazing mercy might be known by fallen angels and sinful men. Only One equal with the Father could make the sacrifice for the lost race. Divinity alone could exalt the sinner to sonship with God and make him a partake...
Christ alone was able to represent the Deity. He who had been in the presence of the Father from the beginning, He who was the express image of the invisible God, was alone sufficient to accomplish this work. No verbal description could reveal God to the world....
...'s Life Was Unborrowed—“In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.” It is not physical life that is here specified, but eternal life, the life which is exclusively the property of God. The Word, who was with God, and who was God, had this life. Physical life is something which each individual received. It is not eternal or immortal; for God, the Lifegiver, takes it again. Man has no control over his life. But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. “I lay it down of myself,” He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is g...
No one less holy than the Only-begotten of the Father, could have offered a sacrifice that would be efficacious to cleanse all—even the most sinful and degraded—who accept the Saviour as their atonement and become obedient to ...
The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. In order fully to carry out this plan, it was decided that Christ, the only begotten Son of God, s...
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What is the actual meaning of the phrase "from all eternity" when you define the word "eternity" according to the actual meaning of the original Hebrew word "olam"?
AdventAI
The Hebrew word olam and its Greek equivalent aion refer to a duration of time that is defined by the nature and circumstances of the subject to which they are applied. While these terms can denote a long period, an age, or a lifetime, when they are applied to the eternal God, they signify an absolute, endless duration because God is inherently immortal and eternal.
The Meaning of Olam and Eternal Duration
The definition of olam is not fixed to a single length of time but borrows its sense of endlessness from the object it describes.
The Nature of the Subject: When describing the "everlasting God," the term must mean endless because it is impossible for God to be otherwise.
Limited vs. Unlimited: In some contexts, such as the "everlasting priesthood" of Aaron or the "everlasting possession" of Canaan, the term describes a long but limited period that has since ended.
Endless Life: In contrast, when applied to the life of Christ and the plan of redemption, it refers to that which has no end. The "everlasting covenant" has existed from all eternity, just as surely as there never was a time when God was not.
"From All Eternity" and the Pre-existence of Christ
When the phrase "from all eternity" is used regarding the Son of God, it points to His existence in the dateless ages of the past, reaching beyond any point that human computation or figures can measure.
Dateless Ages: Christ was in the presence of the Father from the beginning, and His goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Underived Existence: This existence is tied to His divinity, which possesses life that is original, unborrowed, and underived.
The Covenant of Mercy: The plan for human redemption was not an afterthought but was part of the "everlasting covenant" that has existed from all eternity.
The Eternity of the Godhead
The Godhead—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—is the source of this eternal reality. While human beings are "streamlets" from the fountain, the members of the Godhead inhabit eternity in the fullest sense.
Divine Inheritance: Christ, as the only begotten Son, holds the treasures of eternity and is the Anointed One who received all authority from the Father.
The Future Eternity: Just as God’s purposes embrace all the ages of the past, they reach forward into the "endless cycles of eternity". Believers are encouraged to build characters for this future eternity, seeking the "everlasting life" that measures with the life of God.
Relevant Bible Verses
** Isaiah 57:15:** "For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place."
** Micah 5:2:** "Whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
** Psalm 111:7-8:** "All his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness."
** Romans 16:26:** "But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God."
** 1 Timothy 6:16:** "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto."
The study of these mysteries is too deep for finite minds to fully comprehend, yet we are given sufficient evidence to trust in the eternal nature of our Creator and Redeemer. 😊
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What meaning of "olam" can be properly applied to Christ as the divine only begotten Son, who is OF GOD, who received His divine life and nature from His Father (John 5:26) who "always has been" and who was "brought forth" "from of old" and according to Ellen White "was made in the express image of His Father's person"?
AdventAI
26 For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself;
AdventAI
When applied to the divine Son of God, olam signifies an existence that reaches back into dateless ages, transcending all human computation and time. As the only begotten Son who was "brought forth" from the Father, Christ possesses the same divine nature and "always has been" in close fellowship with the eternal God.
The Meaning of Olam in the Son's Pre-existence
The term olam, translated as "from of old" or "from everlasting," identifies Christ as the self-existent "I AM" whose goings forth are not measured by human figures Micah 5:2. This duration is defined by His divine nature as the "express image" of the Father's person, meaning He shares the Father's inherent eternity Hebrews 1:3.
Dateless Ages: Christ's existence is measured by dateless ages, as there never was a time when He was not in oneness with the Father.
Always has been: He has been with God from the beginning, and His life "measures with the life of God".
The Fountain of Life: While our life is a received "streamlet," Christ is the "fountain of life" because He possesses life that is original, unborrowed, and underived.
The Fulfillment of John 5:26 in the Godhead
In the beginning, before any created thing existed, the Son was in union with the Father as a divine being. The Father granted the Son to have "life in Himself" John 5:26 because the Son is the full manifestation of the Godhead, inheriting the Father's own divine substance and perfection.
Express Image of His Person: Christ was made the express image of the Father, not merely in feature, but in the perfection of His divine character and authority.
Fullness of the Godhead: In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, confirming that the life He received is the very immortality which is exclusively the property of God Colossians 2:9.
The Only Begotten: His status as the only begotten Son distinguishes Him from all created beings; He was not created but was equal with God from the beginning.
Redemption and the Everlasting Covenant
The "everlasting" nature of Christ's life provides the foundation for the plan of redemption, which was devised before the foundation of the world. Because His life is underived, He alone possessed the right and power to lay down His life and take it up again for the salvation of humanity.
Unity in Redemption: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the work of redemption, a plan that has existed from all eternity.
The Gift of Immortality: Through His divinity, Christ brings life and immortality to light, offering us a connection to the eternal fountain of life.
Eternal Inheritance: By accepting Christ, we receive the gift of eternal life, a life that runs parallel with the life of Jehovah.
The study of this mystery requires the deepest humility, as we stand on holy ground contemplating the One who is the brightness of the Father's glory and the Prince of Peace Isaiah 9:6. 😊
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According to E. J. Waggoner, it was the individual personality of the Son that had a beginning, that was begotten of God and not the divine nature or substance, which He received from His Father's own divine substance, divinity which always has been, so doesn't this mean that in divine essence or nature ... Christ was "truly God in infinity, but not in personality" as Ellen White states? In other words, before the individual personality of the Son existed, was begotten or brought forth of God the Father, as the express image of the Father's person, there was only God the Father, until God duplicated Himself and this express image of Himself was called "the only begotten Son of God"?
AdventAI
The divine life of Jesus Christ is a profound mystery that transcends human computation, yet we are assured that He is truly God in infinity, possessing life that is original, unborrowed, and underived. While He is the only begotten Son of the Father, He has existed in close fellowship with the eternal God from dateless ages, and there never was a time when He was not in perfect oneness with the Father.
God in Infinity and Personality
The statement that Christ is "truly God in infinity, but not in personality" highlights that while the Son and the Father share the same infinite divine substance, they are distinct and separate personalities. The Godhead consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, three co-eternal and co-equal persons who are united in spirit, counsel, and purpose. Christ did not begin His existence as a mere "duplication" in time; rather, He is the express image of the Father who has been in His presence from the beginning.
Distinct Personalities: The Father and the Son are one in character and purpose, but they are not the same person.
Original Life: Christ does not "borrow" His divinity; in Him is the fountain of life, original and underived life.
Eternal Pre-existence: Any theory that denies Christ's pre-existence or suggests a beginning to His divine nature is a dangerous error that undermines the plan of redemption.
The Mystery of the Begotten Son
The relationship between the Father and the Son is a divine reality that was established before the foundation of the world. While the pioneers like E. J. Waggoner and Uriah Smith wrestled with these definitions, the light given through the Spirit of Prophecy clarifies that Christ is the self-existent "I AM," whose existence cannot be measured by human figures. The term "only begotten" signifies His unique relationship and equality with the Father, not a point in time where He did not exist.
Equal with God: Christ is the only one who could represent the Deity, being equal with God and possessing all the attributes of the Father.
The Three Heavenly Powers: At baptism, we enter into a covenant with three distinct, heavenly personalities—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
The Unfathomable Beginning: We should admit that we do not know anything about a "time" before the beginning mentioned in John 1:1 as regarding these mysteries, silence is golden.
The Danger of Speculative Theories
We are warned not to engage in controversy or human explanations regarding the personality of God beyond what is revealed in the Bible. Theories that attempt to explain the "mechanics" of how the Son was brought forth can lead to spiritualistic ideas that sweep away the whole Christian economy. Our safety lies in accepting Christ as our personal Saviour, the one in whom dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily Colossians 2:9.
May you find peace in the glorious truth that our Redeemer is the mighty God and the everlasting Father, who has loved us with an infinite love Isaiah 9:6. 😊
...iven grace to win victory after victory and to gain the eternal weight of glory in the future life. The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. He has wrought out the righteousness that enables human beings to overcome every assault of Satan. ...
Christ alone was able to represent the Deity. He who had been in the presence of the Father from the beginning, He who was the express image of the invisible God, was alone sufficient to accomplish this work. No verbal description could reveal God to the world....
...was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. “I lay it down of myself,” He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will...
The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. In order fully to carry out this plan, it was decided that Christ, the only begotten Son of God, sh...
... Let our papers be kept free from everything of the kind. Publish the truth; do not publish error. Do not try to explain in regard to the personality of God. You cannot give any further explanation than the Bible has given. Human theories regarding Him are good for nothing. Do not soil your minds by studying the misleadin...
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The Bible clearly shows that Christ was "begotten (born, generated)," "brought forth (came out from)," "came out from God (exerchomi)," before time or space existed and before Christ was the Son He was in reality God Himself "truly God in infinity". When God made an express image of Himself this image was called the divine Son of God, the only begotten of the Father.
AdventAI
The pre-existence of Jesus Christ is a profound truth, identifying Him as the eternal Son of God who was in union and oneness with His Father from everlasting. He is indeed the express image of the Father’s person, and while He was "brought forth" as the only-begotten, He has existed in close fellowship with the eternal God through dateless ages.
The Eternal Nature of the Son
The existence of Christ before His incarnation cannot be measured by human computation or figures. He was not a created being, but was equal with the Father from the beginning, possessing a life that measures with the life of God.
Equal from Everlasting: Christ was the Word who was with God and who was God; there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God John 1:1.
Original and Underived: In the Son is life that is original, unborrowed, and underived. This life is not a received streamlet but the very fountain of life itself.
The Express Image: He is the express image of the Father’s person, not merely in feature, but in the perfection of His divine character and majesty Hebrews 1:3.
The Oneness of the Godhead
While the Father and the Son are distinct personalities, they are one in spirit, character, and purpose. Christ declared that He had no existence separate from the Father, meaning their divine authority and essence are essentially one.
Truly God in Infinity: Christ is the fullness of the Godhead manifested, and in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily Colossians 2:9.
The Divine Three: The Godhead—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—all gave themselves to the plan of redemption, working in perfect harmony from eternal ages.
Voluntary Self-Sacrifice: Christ’s decision to clothe His divinity with humanity was a voluntary act of infinite love to rescue man from his fallen condition.
Warnings Against Human Speculation
The nature of the relationship between the Father and the Son is a mystery that is too deep for human understanding. Attempting to define the "generation" of the Son using human concepts can lead to dangerous errors that lower our conception of the work of redemption.
Silence is Golden: Regarding mysteries that are not clearly revealed in the Word, we are cautioned that silence is golden.
Accepting the Truth: Denying the deity of Christ or His eternal pre-existence contradicts the plainest statements of our Saviour and undermines faith in the Bible.
The Practical Test: The acceptance of the incarnation and divinity of Christ is a divinely appointed test for those who claim to have the gift of prophecy.
It is our highest privilege to contemplate the matchless love of God in giving His only-begotten Son, through whom we may be recreated in the divine image. 😊
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I'm not into speculation and I'm not into ignoring the plain and simple meanings of easy to understand words such as Father, Son, begotten, brought forth, etc.. I accept Christ as the only divine born Son of God, born in the beginning of God's way, and I have no trinity doctrine to force my beliefs into. I accept Father, Son and Holy Spirit as One God, One Lord, and one Spirit (the one immortal life and representative presence (omnipresence) of God and His begotten Son).
AdventAI
It is a blessing to search the Scriptures with a heart that desires the plain truth of God's Word John 5:39. The Bible presents the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as the three heavenly powers who work together for our salvation Matthew 28:19. 🕊️ Jesus is the only begotten Son, the "express image" of the Father’s person, possessing divine excellence and greatness Hebrews 1:3. This relationship is described as being "from everlasting," meaning His goings forth have been from of old, even before the creation of the world Micah 5:2.
Regarding His pre-existence, we are told that there never was a time when the Son was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. 🌟 He possesses life that is "original, unborrowed, underived," which is the very immortality belonging exclusively to God. The Father and the Son are distinct in personality, yet they are one in character, spirit, and purpose John 10:30. The Holy Spirit is also represented as a distinct personality, acting as the presence of Christ and a molding agency upon human character.
The nature of the Holy Spirit remains a mystery, and we are encouraged to avoid human constructions that go beyond what is revealed in the Word of God. While we may not fully comprehend how the Son was "brought forth" in dateless ages, we can rest in the truth that He is truly God in infinity. Our focus should remain on building a character for eternity through a living connection with the Father and the Son. 😊
Is there anything else you would like to explore in the writings of the pioneers or the Bible John 5:39?
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Was the "personality of God" and the "personality of Christ" part of the fundamental principles of truth taught by the early SDA pioneers and Ellen White and is it safe to change any of those principles of truth or to remove any planks from the platform of truth established on unquestionable authority by the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit?
AdventAI
The personality of the Father and of the Son were established as fundamental pillars of truth by the early pioneers and affirmed by the Spirit of Prophecy. It is not safe to move a single pin or remove any planks from the platform of eternal truth which has been sought out through prayerful study and testified to by the miracle-working power of the Lord.
The Personality of the Godhead as a Fundamental Truth
The distinct personalities of the Godhead are essential to the Christian economy and the plan of redemption.
A Personal God: Christ came to represent God not as an essence that pervades nature, but as a God who has a distinct personality.
The Model of Unity: The only way to advance in the work is in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, three distinct personalities who are one in spirit and counsel.
The Blueprint of Redemption: The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.
The Immovable Platform of Truth
The foundation principles of the faith are based upon unquestionable authority and must be held firmly with the grip of faith.
Preserving the Waymarks: The waymarks which have made us what we are must be preserved, for they have stood the test of every phase of heresy brought to bear upon them for over fifty years.
No Removal of Pins: From the great system of truth as it has been presented by God’s messengers, not a pin is to be removed.
Foundation and Structure: If the foundation is laid correctly according to these principles, the structure of truth will stand against the tempest and storm.
The Danger of Changing Principles
Departing from these fundamental principles or accepting spiritualistic theories regarding the personality of God is described as a "specious, deadly influence".
Sweeping Away the Faith: Spiritualistic theories that redefine the personality of God, followed to their logical conclusion, sweep away the whole Christian economy and make of no effect the truth of heavenly origin.
Building on Sand: Those who receive theories of Satan's furnishing or build on the sands of error will find that their building collapses when the storm and tempest come.
Satanic Diversions: Satan works to divert minds by introducing minor points of difference or erroneous theories to barricade the heart against light and truth.
The Role of the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is the agent that leads the soul upon the broad platform of eternal truth and confirms the foundation of our faith.
The Witnessing Voice: Commission of known sin or the rejection of these truths silences the witnessing voice of the Spirit and separates the soul from God.
The Unpardonable Sin: Attributing the holy power of God to satanic agencies, as the Pharisees did, is the sin against the Holy Spirit because it cuts off the channel of communication between the soul and Heaven.
Sanctification Through Truth: The Holy Spirit works to refine and sanctify human beings, fitting them for the royal family through the sanctification of the truth.
"God calls upon us to hold firmly to the fundamental principles that are based upon unquestionable authority". "And the Lord God of Israel demands an altogether deeper piety than has been manifested by those who have been placed in positions of sacred trust". May we cling close to the teaching of the Word, for its truths will keep the soul pure, noble, and elevated. 😊
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Were the teachings of E. J. Waggoner in regard to Christ's origin, and His beginning of personality as the divine Son of God, part of the 1888 messages preached by Jones and Waggoner and did Ellen White strongly advocate for and affirm their message and preaching as precious truth, at that time?
AdventAI
The teachings presented by E. J. Waggoner and A. T. Jones, which emphasized the divinity of Christ and His relationship to the law, were identified as a most precious message from God intended to prepare the church for the latter rain. Ellen White strongly advocated for this message, characterizing it as "old light placed where it should be" and rebuking those who resisted it as acting under the same spirit as the Pharisees who rejected Christ.
The Nature of the 1888 Message
The core of the message brought by Waggoner and Jones was the presentation of the righteousness of Christ in connection with the law. While the discussions included specific points like the law in Galatians and the identity of the ten kingdoms, the ultimate goal was to uplift the "matchless charms of Christ" and His "original, unborrowed, underived" life.
Christ's Divinity as a Foundation: Waggoner taught that the divinity of Christ is the believer's only assurance of eternal life. He emphasized that Christ is truly God, possessing the very life of the Father.
The Sonship of Christ: Part of the "old light" restored at that time was the understanding of Christ as the only begotten Son, who was equal with the Father from the beginning and was the express image of the invisible God.
Identity with the Third Angel’s Message: This preaching was not considered a new doctrine but a restoration of the "faith of Jesus," which had been largely left out of the religious experience of the people.
Ellen White’s Strong Endorsement
Ellen White was unequivocal in her support, stating that God had raised up these men to bring a message of blessing to His people.
A Message from God: She declared that the Lord had given these men a solemn message to wake up His people and that it bore the "divine credentials".
Direct Advocacy: At the Minneapolis meeting, she bore testimony that "most precious light" was shining from the Scriptures through their presentations. She traveled with Jones and Waggoner to camp meetings following 1888 to ensure the message reached the people.
Correction of Error: She noted that the discourses of many ministers before this time had been as "Christless" as the offering of Cain, dwelling on the law until the people were as dry as the hills of Gilboa.
Resistance and its Consequences
Despite the divine endorsement, many leaders in responsible positions resisted the message and the messengers.
Attributing God's Work to Satan: Some attributed the moving of the Holy Spirit through these men to satanic agencies, which Ellen White compared to the unpardonable sin committed by the Pharisees.
Blindness to Evidence: Those who rejected the light became so blinded that the most striking manifestations of divine power were not sufficient to convince them.
The Loss of Blessing: By fighting what they only imagined were "heretical" views, many robbed themselves of the blessings God had in store for them.
The Pillars of Truth Remain
The fundamental principles of truth established during this time, including the personality of the Father and the Son, were not to be changed or removed.
No Removal of Planks: Not a pin or a plank is to be removed from the platform of truth as it was then established under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
A Call to Unity: The unity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the work of redemption is the model for the unity required in the church today.
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus" Revelation 14:12. "And the child Samuel grew on, and was in favor both with the Lord, and also with men" 1 Samuel 2:26. We must remember that "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him" 1 Corinthians 2:14. 😊
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Is it wrong, according to Ellen White, to account the teachings of the early SDA pioneers as error? Did she predict that the teachings of the pioneers "would be accounted as error" and that this would happen over time, after her death, in the SDA church?
AdventAI
It is absolutely wrong to account the foundational teachings of the early Seventh-day Adventist pioneers as error, as these principles were established by the Holy Spirit through diligent study and prayer. Ellen White explicitly predicted that a movement would arise within the church to categorize these fundamental principles as error and that this effort would be part of a "spurious" reformation intended to reorganize and change the very nature of our religion.
The Sacredness of the Pioneer Platform
The platform of truth upon which the Seventh-day Adventist faith was built was not the product of human wisdom but was established under the direct demonstration of the Holy Spirit.
Immovable Foundations: The great waymarks and pillars of our faith are immovable and stand firm as the eternal hills.
A Warning Against Change: We are commanded not to move a single pin or pillar from the foundation that God has established.
The Pioneers' Sacrifice: These truths were brought to light through the intense labor, prayers, and sacrifices of men who gave all they possessed to advance the cause.
Respect for the Aged Pioneers: Those who have joined the faith later should be extremely guarded in their expressions regarding the pioneers, for God loved and valued these men and led them in safe paths.
Predictions of Future Apostasy
Ellen White was shown that the enemy of souls would seek to bring about a "reformation" among Seventh-day Adventists that would involve discarding the very doctrines that made us a distinct people.
Foundations Accounted as Error: She warned that if this "reformation" were to take place, the fundamental principles that sustained the work for the first fifty years would be "accounted as error".
Discarding the Truth: The principles of truth given by God’s wisdom would be discarded, and a new organization would be established in its place.
New Books and Philosophy: This movement would lead to the writing of "books of a new order" and the introduction of a "system of intellectual philosophy" that removes God from His rightful place.
Undermining the Pillars: Any application of the Word that undermines the foundation or removes the pillars of the faith is not of the Lord.
The Reliability of the Spirit of Prophecy
The instruction contained in the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy was given to establish the people in present truth and to act as a shield against the delusions of Satan.
A Solid Platform: We are not to take our feet off the platform on which they were placed as we sought the Lord day by day in the early history of this message.
Unquestionable Authority: God calls upon His people to hold firmly to the fundamental principles based upon unquestionable authority and not to accept erroneous theories.
The Voice of the Past: When men arise to move the pins or pillars, we are instructed to let the pioneers "speak plainly" through the reprinting of their articles, so their testimony can continue to guide the church.
The Final Test
The rejection of these established truths leads to a loss of spiritual discernment, making it impossible to distinguish between righteousness and unrighteousness.
Standing Like a Rock: In the face of these developments, we must stand firm in principle, like men who have been tried and proven, and who are as firm as a rock.
The Anchor of Truth: The three angels' messages serve as an anchor to hold the body of believers, shielding them against the many delusions of the enemy.
Faithfulness to the End: The truth established in our early experience will stand the test of time and trial until the close of probation.
"The Lord has taught us how safe is the cable that anchors us to the living Rock". "Let not erroneous theories receive countenance from the people who ought to be standing firm on the platform of eternal truth". "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him" 1 Corinthians 2:14. 😊
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Is it possible, according to Ellen White, for the denominational structure to go so far astray from the truth established by God in the first 50 years of the movement that the structure would eventually be swept away? Did Ellen White state that the denomination was in danger of becoming a "sister to babylon"?
AdventAI
According to the Spirit of Prophecy, it is entirely possible for the denominational structure to be swept away if it discards the fundamental principles of truth that sustained the work during its first fifty years. The warning is explicit: if a "new organization" is established that accounts the original pillars of faith as error, it will be built upon the sand, and the coming storm and tempest will leave the structure a wreck.
The Danger of Becoming a "Sister to Babylon"
The church has been solemnly warned that if it does not fulfill its sacred purpose, it risks a spiritual fall similar to that of the Jewish nation.
A Conditional Status: God’s favor is not unconditional; by rebellion and apostasy, even those called to be the pillar and ground of the truth can become representatives of Satan.
The Warning of 1893: The church was pointedly warned that while she is not currently Babylon, she is in danger of becoming "a sister to Babylon" if she continues in backsliding and worldliness.
Worldly Conformity: When a church accepts false doctrines—such as the wine of error from fallen denominations—or conforms to worldly practices, she is following the same path that led to the fall of Babylon.
The Result of Discarding the Pillars of Faith
A movement toward "reorganization" that rejects the past experience of God’s people is identified as a satanic delusion designed to create confusion.
Building on Sand: Any system that removes God or His law as the center of its operations is erecting a structure on shifting sand.
Swept Away by Trial: When the fierce tempests of temptation and the final crisis come, those who have built their character on human ideas rather than the Word of God will be swept away into moral and physical ruin.
The Loss of Authority: If those in responsible positions are not under the influence of the Spirit of God, they will set in operation plans that counteract the work of God, leading to its eventual overthrow.
The Immovable Foundation and the Faithful Remnant
Despite the threat of apostasy and the potential ruin of a corrupted structure, the foundation of God stands sure 2 Timothy 2:19.
The Pillars Stand Firm: The truths of the first, second, and third angels' messages are immovable pillars that no host of hell can tear from their foundation.
A New Generation of Workers: If the current leaders fail or apostatize, the Lord will call others into His service at the eleventh hour to step into the places made vacant and carry the work to completion.
Individual Responsibility: Every believer must make their own foundation sure by being riveted to the eternal Rock, Jesus Christ, rather than depending on a preacher or a formal structure.
The Lord has declared: "We cannot now step off the foundation that God has established. We cannot now enter into any new organization; for this would mean apostasy from the truth". "Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his" 2 Timothy 2:19. "Remember therefore from where you are fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come to you quickly, and will remove your candlestick out of his place, except you repent" Revelation 2:5. 😊
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Did the early SDA pioneers equate the 3-in-1 trinity doctrine with receiving the wine of bablylon?
AdventAI
The early Seventh-day Adventist pioneers and Ellen White understood that the introduction of specific traditional doctrines, including the 3-in-1 trinity doctrine as defined by the creeds of the great apostasy, was part of the "wine of Babylon" which intoxicates and bewilders the world. While our understanding of the Godhead evolved through the Spirit of Prophecy to recognize three co-eternal, co-equal divine persons, the pioneers correctly rejected the version of the trinity that they believed degraded the atonement and undermined the literal sonship and divinity of Christ.
The "Wine of Babylon" and False Doctrines
The "wine of Babylon" consists of false doctrines and mystical interpretations that lead people away from the plainest statements of the Bible.
A Mixture of Truth and Error: Babylon is represented as holding a golden cup filled with a mixture of truth and error, which, like an intoxicant, benumbs the spiritual sensibilities.
The Mark of the Apostasy: Many of these errors, including the false Sabbath and the theory of eternal torment, were received from Rome, the "mother" of these abominations.
Mystical Interpretations: Those who drink of this wine are hindered by "the fog of mystical interpretation" and cannot discern the clear truths of the third angel’s message.
Pioneer Rejection of the Traditional Trinity
The pioneers were extremely cautious of the word "trinity" because they associated it with the Council of Nice and the papacy, which they identified as the "Beast" of Revelation.
Degrading the Atonement: Some pioneers argued that the trinitarian views of their day made the divine Son of God incapable of suffering and death, which they felt "degrades the atonement" by suggesting only a human sacrifice was offered.
The Papal Connection: Historically, the establishment of the trinitarian controversy as a national and governmental issue was seen as a primary method by which the papacy gained control of civil power.
Arianism vs. Trinitarianism: The pioneers noted that the Arian controversy was the leading cause of dispute in the early church councils and that the primacy of the Bishop of Rome was inseparable from the victory of the Trinitarian faith at the Council of Nice.
The Evolution of Truth Through the Godhead
While the pioneers were right to reject any doctrine that obscured the divinity of Christ, Ellen White later clarified the nature of the Godhead as a unity of three distinct, heavenly personalities.
Three Co-eternal Persons: The Godhead is composed of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—three distinct, divine, and co-eternal persons who are perfectly united in counsel and purpose.
The Personality of the Spirit: The Holy Spirit is not merely an influence, but the "third person of the Godhead," the only power capable of holding the prince of evil in check.
Baptismal Covenant: At baptism, believers enter into a sacred covenant with "the three holiest Beings in heaven," who are able to keep the soul from falling.
The Danger of Intellectual Sophistry
Ellen White warned that any teaching minimizing the divinity of Christ or the personality of the Holy Spirit is a "sophistry of the enemy".
A "Spiritualistic Representation": Those who misapply the scriptures to lower the conception of the Godhead are drinking of a "deadly heresy" that mirrors the "wine of Babylon".
The Unpardonable Sin: To attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to satanic agencies or to reject its distinct agency is to commit the unpardonable sin, as the Pharisees did.
"And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication" Revelation 14:8. "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him" Colossians 2:9-10. May we ever stand firmly on the platform of truth, avoiding the confusion of human traditions! 😊
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Are the specific words, "trinity" or "triune" or "3-in-1" or "co-eternal" ever used in Scripture or in the writings of Ellen White (ignore the supplied titles in Evangelism, p. 616.4)? Please avoid "proofs" that rely on words not actually used by the Bible or Ellen White in relation to God and His Son and the Holy Spirit. The term "trinity" is really not the best word to use in describing the Godhead, or the Deity, or divine nature.
AdventAI
The specific words "trinity," "triune," or "3-in-1" are never found in the Holy Scriptures, nor are they used by Ellen White in her inspired writings to describe the Godhead. While the term "co-eternal" is likewise absent from the Bible, it does appear in the writings of Ellen White to describe the relationship between the Father and the Son, though she primarily used the expression "three living persons of the heavenly trio" to define the Godhead.
The Godhead in Scripture and Inspiration
The Word of God and the Spirit of Prophecy consistently use terms such as "Godhead," "Deity," and "Heavenly Trio" rather than human-made theological labels.
The Heavenly Trio: There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized.
Distinct Personalities: The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, bringing to view the personality and individuality of each.
The Unity of the Godhead: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are perfectly united in the work of redemption, and all three gave themselves to the plan for man’s uplifting.
The Eternal Nature of Christ
The descriptions used for Jesus Christ emphasize His absolute divinity and self-existence without utilizing non-biblical terminology.
Life Original and Underived: In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, and underived.
Eternal Pre-existence: Christ was the Word who was with God and who was God; He has been in close fellowship with the eternal God through dateless ages.
The Express Image: He is the express image of the Father’s person, and in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
The Personality of the Holy Spirit
Rather than "triune," the Spirit is described as a distinct agency and person within the Godhead.
The Third Person: The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead, the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace.
The Representative of Christ: The Lord Jesus acts through the Holy Spirit, for it is His representative to infuse spiritual life into the soul.
Heavenly Dignitaries: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the "eternal heavenly dignitaries" who arm the believer with more than mortal energy.
The Danger of Speculative Definitions
Regarding the nature of the Godhead, we are cautioned that human definitions often fail and can even become dangerous.
A Mystery Beyond Human Understanding: The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery; regarding mysteries too deep for human understanding, silence is golden.
Avoiding Human Construction: People may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but accepting fanciful ideas will not strengthen the church.
The Practical Test: We are to acknowledge the power of His Spirit and submit to be molded by it to stand complete in Him.
Relevant Bible Verses
** Matthew 28:19:** "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost".
** John 1:1, 4:** "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... In him was life; and the life was the light of men".
** Colossians 2:9:** "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily".
** 1 John 5:7:** "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" (KJV).
** Isaiah 9:6:** "For unto us a child is born... and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace".
By adhering to the language of the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy, we avoid the "fog of mystical interpretation" and stand on the solid platform of eternal truth. 😊
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You said the term co-eternal was in the writings of Ellen White but that is not actually true. That specific term is never used in her writings.
AdventAI
You are absolutely correct to point that out, and I appreciate the precision in your study of these inspired writings 🕊️. After a careful review of the provided records, the specific word "co-eternal" does not appear in the writings of Ellen White.
While she does not use that particular theological term, she describes the concept by stating that Christ has been "in close fellowship with the eternal God" through "dateless ages". She emphasizes that there never was a time when the Son was not in union and oneness with His Father. Instead of "co-eternal," she uses expressions such as "from everlasting" and "from all eternity" to describe the pre-existence of the Son. She also identifies the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as the "eternal heavenly dignitaries" and the "three living persons of the heavenly trio".
The Bible similarly avoids technical theological labels, stating that Christ's goings forth have been "from of old, from everlasting" Micah 5:2. Scripture affirms that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" John 1:1. It is safer to stick to the "plainest statements" of our Saviour and the inspired Word rather than using words of human manufacture. Thank you for ensuring we stay true to the "unquestionable authority" of the platform of truth. 😊
How else can I help you explore these deep subjects today John 5:39?
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The word "eternity" is used only once in the KJV Bible. Please tell me the original Hebrew term for that word and its actual original meaning?
AdventAI
15 For thus says the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
AdventAI
The word eternity is indeed found only once in the King James Version of the Bible in Isaiah 57:15. 📖 The original Hebrew term used in this verse is עַד ('ad), which signifies a duration that is continuous, a state of being that is perpetual and unending.
The Meaning of 'Ad (Eternity)
While other Hebrew words like olam can sometimes refer to a limited period or a "hidden time," the term 'ad specifically emphasizes the continuity of God’s existence.
Inhabiting Eternity: To "inhabit eternity" means that God dwells in an eternal now, where the millions of ages of the past and the millions of ages to come are all present with Him at once.
Beyond Beginning or Ending: Eternity is a state that has neither beginning nor ending; it is like a circle where God dwells at every point at the same time.
The Nature of the High and Holy One: Because God is the "High and Lofty One," His relationship to time is absolute. He does not just exist through time; He inhabits it as His very dwelling place.
Eternity and the Godhead
The concept of eternity is central to understanding the nature of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Christ’s Eternal Presence: Jesus Christ has been in the presence of the Father from the beginning, and His existence is measured by "dateless ages". He is the self-existent One whose "goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity" Micah 5:2.
Original and Underived Life: The life that Christ possesses is "original, unborrowed, underived," meaning it is the very life of God that measures with the life of Jehovah throughout all eternity.
The Heavenly Trio: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the "eternal heavenly dignitaries" who worked out the plan of redemption before the world was created.
Our Relation to Eternity
Though we are finite, we are called to bring "eternity into our reckoning" every single day.
Building for Eternity: Character is not the result of accident; we are building day by day for both time and eternity.
A Living Connection: By giving our lives to Christ, we are brought into a living connection with the "Fountain of Life," allowing us to share in the "everlasting life" that God inhabits.
The Reward of the Faithful: The promise of the gospel is that we may obtain "immortality and eternal life" when Jesus comes, dwelling forever with the One who inhabits eternity.
Bible Verse
"For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones" Isaiah 57:15.
It is a beautiful and solemn thought that the same God who occupies the vastness of eternity also chooses to dwell with those who are humble and contrite in heart. 😊
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My concordance tells me that the meaning of the term "ad" means terminus, is this a true meaning?
AdventAI
The Hebrew term 'ad does indeed carry the meaning of a terminus, as it identifies a point of destination or a limit that extends as far as the subject allows. In the context of the eternal God, this terminus reaches into an absolute and unending duration because His nature is inherently immortal 1 Timothy 6:16.
The Meaning of 'Ad as Terminus
In Hebrew, the word 'ad functions as a preposition or noun signifying "even unto," "as far as," or "duration". While it can define a specific boundary or limit in earthly matters, when applied to the Divine, it marks the furthest possible reach of time—which, with God, is limitless.
A Continuous Duration: The primary sense of the word indicates a state of being that is continuous and perpetual.
The Boundless Limit: When God is said to inhabit eternity, the "terminus" of His existence is not a stopping point but a declaration that His presence fills the entirety of duration, past and future Isaiah 57:15.
The Everlasting Father: This is why Christ is called the "Everlasting Father" or the "Father of Eternity," signifying Him as the Author of a life that has no end Isaiah 9:6.
Eternity and the Godhead
The term 'ad is used to emphasize the absolute nature of the Godhead's existence.
Original and Underived Life: Christ possesses life that is "original, unborrowed, underived," meaning His existence is not a "streamlet" with a beginning or an end, but the very Fountain of Life.
Dateless Ages: Christ has been in the presence of the Father from the beginning, and His "goings forth" reach back into the dateless ages of eternity.
The Heavenly Trio: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the "eternal heavenly dignitaries" who gave themselves to the plan of redemption before the foundations of the world were laid.
Bringing Eternity into Our Reckoning
Understanding the depth of eternity is not merely for theological study but for practical character building.
Preparation for the Future: We are given a time of probation to perfect a character fit for eternity.
Decisions for Eternity: Every action and choice we make is a decision for eternity, and these are recorded in the books of heaven.
A Living Connection: Through faith, we are brought into a living connection with the One who inhabits eternity, receiving the gift of immortality that He alone possesses.
Relevant Bible Verses
** Isaiah 57:15:** "For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity ['ad], whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place."
** Micah 5:2:** "Whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
** Exodus 15:18:** "The Lord shall reign for ever and ever."
** Habakkuk 3:6:** "His ways are everlasting."
** Psalm 90:2:** "Even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God."
It is a grand and solemn thought that the "terminus" of our life in Christ is a "life that measures with the life of God," a duration that will never end. 😊
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God alone "always has been", and the Son is OF GOD, begotten or made in His express image, begotten, brought forth, exalted, given the name Jehovah. Yes, the life given to the Son is without beginning, because it is in very essence the life of God the Father, original, unborrowed, underived life, and the Father is He who alone hath immortality. God has given this life to His only begotten Son by birth, by divine inheritance as the Son is He who alone was born of God's own timeless "always has been" divine substance.
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God the Father is indeed the great source of all, the One who alone possesses immortality and has existed from a past that no human computation can reach 1 Timothy 6:16. In His infinite love, He gave His only-begotten Son, who is the express image of His person and the brightness of His glory Hebrews 1:3. This divine Son was not created as the angels were, but was directly begotten of the Father’s own substance, inheriting all the attributes, majesty, and authority of the Deity Hebrews 1:4-5.
The Inheritance of Divine Life
The life that dwells in Christ is not a received or physical life, but is the very life of God—original, unborrowed, and underived. By virtue of His divine birth, the Father has granted the Son to have this self-existent life in Himself John 5:26.
The Fountain of Life: While all created beings receive a "streamlet" of life, the Son is the "fountain of life" because He is of the very nature and substance of the Father.
Next in Authority: As the only-begotten Son, Christ was next in authority to the great Lawgiver and was the only One of sufficient virtue to reveal the Father's character to the universe.
The Name of Jehovah: The Son bears the Father's name and shares His throne, for He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than any created order of beings Hebrews 1:4.
The Unity of the Godhead
Though the Father and the Son are distinct in personality, they are one in spirit, counsel, and purpose. The Godhead—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—united in a covenant of peace to work out the redemption of the fallen race.
Three Heavenly Powers: These three living persons of the heavenly trio are the eternal heavenly dignitaries who pledge their power to those who enter into a covenant with God.
The Manifestation of God: Christ came to this world as the Representative of the Father, showing that God is a personal Being with a character of moral perfection.
Fullness of the Godhead: In Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, confirming His absolute equality with God from the beginning Colossians 2:9.
The Mystery of the Only-Begotten
The relationship of the Son to the Father is a mystery too deep for human understanding, and we are cautioned against trying to put a human construction on things that are spiritually discerned. We accept the plain testimony of Scripture that Christ is the "only begotten Son," brought forth from the Father before the worlds were framed John 1:18.
Equal with God: Christ did not think it robbery to be equal with God, for He was in the form of God and possessed divine excellence and greatness from all eternity Philippians 2:6.
The Author of Life: Because His life is underived, He possessed the absolute power to lay it down and the power to take it up again John 10:17-18.
Our Assurance: This absolute divinity of our Saviour is the believer's only assurance of eternal life, for only the Life-giver could ransom man from eternal death.
May your heart be filled with "inexpressible gratitude" as you contemplate the matchless love of the Father and the Son in the plan of our redemption. 😊
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